No Russia-US war, Ukraine ‘a tragedy’, Palestine ‘a catastrophe’: Key points from the Lavrov-Carlson interview
The popular American media figure sat down with the Russian foreign minister ahead of the change of power in Washington next month Read Full Article at RT.com
The popular American media figure sat down with the Russian foreign minister ahead of the change of power in Washington next month
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, in an exclusive interview with leading US media personality Tucker Carlson, has addressed a broad range of topics concerning global tensions, relations between Moscow and Washington, and the ongoing conflicts in Ukraine and the Middle East.
Below are the main takeaways from the conversation in Moscow – released in the early hours of Friday morning – focusing on Lavrov’s statements.
Russia and US not ‘in a state of war’
Lavrov rejected the idea that Russia and the US are currently locked in direct conflict, emphasizing that Moscow does not seek such a situation with Washington. “We officially are not at war,” he stated, while acknowledging the dangerous dynamics of the Ukraine conflict, which he described as a “hybrid war.” Lavrov alleged that “direct participation of American servicemen” in the conflict is evident, as the US supplies weapons and provides operational support to Ukraine.
The diplomat stressed that Russia desires “normal relations” with the US, reiterating President Vladimir Putin’s respect for the American people. “We don’t see any reason why Russia and the United States cannot cooperate for the sake of the universe,” he said.
US military involvement in Ukraine
Lavrov accused Washington of playing a central role in the Ukraine conflict, claiming that the provision of long-range weapons to Kiev such as ATACMS and other modern systems has directly enabled strikes on Russian territory. He warned that these actions risk escalating tensions. Lavrov characterized the conflict as a Western effort to strategically weaken Russia, adding that NATO officials have recently suggested “limited nuclear strikes” might be justified.
Russia’s hypersonic Oreshnik missile strike: A message to the West
Lavrov addressed Russia’s recent Oreshnik missile test, which he described as a signal to the US and its allies. “The message is that we... will be ready to use any means not to allow them to succeed in what they call the strategic defeat of Russia,” he said. Lavrov framed this as a defensive move, asserting that Moscow fights for its “legitimate security interests” rather than global domination.
Lavrov contrasted the conflicts in Ukraine and Palestine, describing the former as a “tragedy” and the latter as a “catastrophe.” He accused the Ukrainian government of persecuting Russian speakers and outlawing their culture and religion, labeling the administration of Vladimir Zelensky a “Nazi regime.” Lavrov also criticized the West’s selective focus on human rights, accusing it of ignoring violations against the Russian-speaking population in Ukraine.
On Palestine, Lavrov expressed concern over the high civilian death toll, which he claimed far exceeds the casualties in Ukraine. He called Israeli actions “collective punishment” and stated that such measures violate international law.
NATO membership for Ukraine is unacceptable
Lavrov reiterated Russia’s firm opposition to Ukraine joining NATO or hosting foreign military bases. He criticized the bloc’s expansion toward Russia’s borders, calling it a violation of international principles. “No NATO. Absolutely. No military bases, no military exercises on Ukrainian soil with participation of foreign troops,” he insisted.
2014 Maidan coup: The root of Ukraine’s problems
Lavrov traced the Ukraine conflict back to the 2014 Kiev Maidan, which he described as a “military coup d’état” backed by the West. He argued that the coup destroyed Ukraine’s stability and legitimacy, leading to the rejection of Kiev’s authority by Crimea and parts of Donbass.
Lavrov further criticized Western governments for encouraging Kiev to violate the Minsk Agreements, which were intended to grant autonomy to Donbass while preserving Ukraine’s territorial integrity.
US mistreatment of Russia after the Cold War
Lavrov accused the US of exploiting Russia’s post-Soviet vulnerability in the 1990s, treating Moscow as a “junior partner” and interfering in its affairs. He characterized Western policies as dismissive of Russia’s interests, which, according to him, sowed the seeds of the current geopolitical tensions. “After the demise of the Soviet Union... the West tried to organize things in Russia like it wanted,” Lavrov remarked.
Lavrov rejected the notion that US President-elect Donald Trump was pro-Russian, highlighting that many sanctions against Russia were introduced during Trump’s first administration. He described the Republican as “a very strong person” who focuses on results but emphasized that this does not translate into favoritism toward Moscow.
A cautious warning on nuclear escalation
Lavrov expressed grave concerns about the potential for nuclear escalation, criticizing some Western officials for treating the idea of “limited nuclear strikes” as a viable option. He emphasized the importance of avoiding any atomic conflict, referencing Russia’s commitment to the 2022 joint statement by the UN Security Council’s permanent members that “nuclear war can never be won, and therefore nuclear war is not possible.”
A call for negotiations under new realities
Lavrov reiterated Moscow’s willingness to negotiate, provided Ukraine and the West respect Russia’s security concerns and recognize the “realities on the ground,” including Crimea’s status as part of Russia and the incorporation of regions such as Donetsk and Lugansk into the Russian Federation. He criticized Western peace initiatives as ultimatums designed to favor Ukraine, citing Kiev’s refusal to engage in meaningful dialogue as a barrier to resolution.
Lavrov concluded by emphasizing the need for balanced relations between nations, accusing the US and NATO of undermining global stability in pursuit of dominance. He reaffirmed Russia’s commitment to defending its interests while avoiding further escalation, calling on the US to recognize that mutual respect is essential for peace.
